S01-E02
Both Sides of the Coin
Hello again. I am still Jonica and I am still Mark. Okay, let's get into today's episode. We are in the process of packing up our house. Well, technically it's not even our house. No longer. Sold. Mm-hmm. So things are starting to get more real. By the second, we're having these conversations about the adjustments we're gonna have to make and the fears that come along with all of that.
And of course, we share a lot of the same fears, but then they're also unique to each one of us individually. Mm-hmm. So let's start with the first shared fear, and that's of course going to be money. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The, uh, the tap has been turned off. We are no longer generating any income, which is insane and terrifying to think about. Right, because I have been, I mean, I started babysitting I think when I was probably like, I don't know, 10 years old, which seems insane.
Are you old enough to be watching other children at that point? But then really got my first job at the age of 14 and have been working. 29 years ever since then. Yes. So, yeah. Thank you for counting the years. Sorry. It's time for retirement at that rate. That's, that's what I'd say. Well, we're, we're not unique, right?
Like, there are a lot of people that have worked, for many years of their lives. But i it's one of those things where, you know, we both had great jobs. We liked our jobs. We were doing well, we were. Climbing that ladder. Yeah. We, we were following, we were checking all the boxes. Yes. And, now we are jobless and therefore check less income. There's, there's no more direct deposit, that bank account is slowly diminishing each Yeah. It just goes down and down now, um, which is. Scary to see, not to say like, I don't want it to sound like we haven't been planning for this.
I mean, we have a good travel fund. We have other accounts. We've done a really good job I think, of planning this out. But it's when the reality sets in that there's no more money coming in, uh, things start to get much more real. Right. And that's where the planning came in. And that's where yes, we'll, hopefully, sustain us for this entire journey.
Yeah. I hope so. So the second fear, and this might sound trivial I guess, but it's kind of a big deal when you start to unpack it is, cell phone and, and internet. It's super interesting to me that in all of the books that we've read, all the blogs, whatever websites that I've looked at, there's not a lot of material that gets into information on this. Like how do you keep your cell phone number? I don't wanna let that go. I've had my 6 1 2 number forever. You did change your number. Yeah, I had to for work When you moved to, mm-hmm. To New York. Mm-hmm. But still, people know that number, and when that number changes or gets handed over to someone else, like, I don't know, it's you just, you wanna keep your number.
So how do you keep that number? What is the best way to get service in different parts of the world? What is the best way to ensure you have a decent internet connection? Because I think, again, you know, we might need to upload a podcast or something like that. I don't even care about streaming movies or shows or whatever.
We can deal without that. Like it's, it's more you just have to have the internet and you have to figure out how to have that, that data, I guess. That good, that good bandwidth? Yes. Yes. Um, so I'm, I'm continuing to do research. I feel like I'm getting somewhere, so I'll share more of that, as I start to hopefully come to some answers, but, more to come. Right. And the thing is, I think in reading the books that we went through for this, research is that there, there's no information on this. Not a lot, let's say specifically because this information changes so quickly. We're talking about technology changing at the speed of light. Mm-hmm. And therefore, What was relevant a year ago, two years ago as far as how to go about getting cellphone service or how to go about.
Producing your podcast while, on the road, how do you do that? That all can change so quickly. Well, you think back to even like when you were living in Thailand, right? Yeah. In 2006 I had a Nokia phone. Yeah. Yeah. Like you would, you'd go to internet cafes. Oh yeah. Right. Free email and email your parents and let them know that you were okay. And obviously, times are, are different now. And I think everyone expects you to be able to FaceTime, Google Hangout, Zoom, whatever, at a moment's notice, especially after the pandy, I feel like made that like a much bigger thing. So people just expect that and we expect that. And so that's one of the primary ways of staying in touch with people because it's so much more than the written word, um, or this podcast, it will be about those, those FaceTimes and stuff like that.
It's a lot more realistic to understand how dependent we are on these things. So much so, and, and that's everything from beyond, not just. Instagram, or not just a podcast, but communicating with our family and our friends, being able to have these like Zoom calls, if that's even gonna happen. Mm-hmm.
As we talked about our finances and money, what about banking? How do you make sure that that's all working? We use everything. Yeah. It's all everything - insurance, you know, safety, navigation, all the maps, everything. So because of the world we live in today, it's vital that we have access to this, a good connection, and the data that we need.
Yeah. I feel. I feel lucky that we're kind of cuspy right in that we know how to read an actual paper map if we have to. Um, we know how to write an email to not like, have to get on the phone and FaceTime, but at the same time, we still are very much dependent on these things. You know, remember, love it, love it, or leave it. You're still dependent on, you pop out of the subway and you're like, which direction do I need to go? You're driving along. Where do I need to go? So yeah, kudos to those people listening who didn't always have that because I remember every single year before driving down to Florida for spring break, we would go to AAA, get that map, get that map, and those people would like, you know, highlight the route that you should use. And they'd be like, well, this road's closed because of construction, and like no one, you know, only Google does that for you. Now, maybe you can still go to AAA and do that, I guess, but who does that? Right, right. Um, so yeah, that's, that's, that's a big thing. So aside from the finance part of it, the, the money, the concerns about the, the internet.
Because, for those who know me, I have GI issues. Problems, big problems. I don't have celiac, and I don't have Crohn's. You're very lucky. I'm very lucky. Bless you. People have to deal with that.
I do have SIBO. So there are a lot of foods that cause me, to be sick. I'm gluten intolerant and the world as a whole is getting better about this. I think there are so many more options out there. Thank goodness for people because there are a lot of people who have gluten issues now. Um, but it can still be very challenging.
And because of this and other factors, I know I'm going to get sick. Uh, it's going to be rough, but, I've dealt with this for a very long time and Farber is great at helping me through this. He knows when I'm not feeling well. He knows when I need a break. He knows when I need to find a bathroom. Um, like we said, we were gonna be open and transparent most of the time.
You just stop talking. Yes. You're internalize, your, uh, your, your stomach pain. Yeah. That's all I can do. Yep. It's all I can do. That's, that's what happens. But you know, there are going to be days that it gets really bad. There's gonna be days where Farber is going to be eating all of the street food, all of the things.
Sometimes I might, and then I know I'm gonna pay for it the next day, and the next day is going to be a staying inside day. And that's okay because you have to weigh the reward versus the punishment, and that's what my system does to me, and hopefully a lot of times the reward is worth it. We'll see. But yeah, it's, uh, we'll talk about this more obviously as we're in real time when you're experiencing that. Yeah. How fun will that be here? Exactly. Yeah. Sometimes I might be dying. It's part of it, it's a big fear of mine, but it's gonna be a part of this journey for sure.
Um, but then we had to get a taxi to the rental car place, and he was a lovely old man and he was asking us about how long we'd been married. He was asking us, us if we had children obviously, no. Um, and he at one point had to pull over 'cause the car was overheating. It was like a whole thing. And then, we get to the airport and he is, you know, pulls out his phone and shows us how much we owe him and that's how much we paid him. But he's, there was a language, sorry to interrupt. There was a language barrier. Yes. To be fair, there was not a lot of course English being spoken or us speaking up Albanians. Yeah, yeah. And. He, he was started yelling at us and we didn't understand, 'cause I was like, we, we paid him exactly the number that it said on the phone. but obviously, he wanted more and we'd done our research and as in many European countries you don't usually tip.
And so we weren't. Tipping. But this dude wanted a tip and he was not going to give us our bags until we gave him a tip. So it was a whole thing. People were starting to stare. He was starting to yell even louder at us. I mean, it was, it was a gross feeling. And I think that's part of like not wanting to get ripped off, is you don't wanna leave a place and feel bad about it. You don't wanna have this bad taste in your mouth that like, Ugh, gross, like I got ripped off there, or this person stole this from me, or whatever. And so I think that's also part of it, is that we know these things are going to happen. We don't want them to cloud our judgment or opinion of a place, and we're just gonna have to deal with that because it's going to happen. It's gonna happen. It's inevitable, it's gonna happen. So the takeaway is really don't stress out in these situations. Keep your wits about you and do what you need to do. If someone's gonna take money from you, they need it more than you do. If they're gonna scam you, they need it more than you do.
We are still here. It's the best place to record. And there are literally just racks of Jonica’s shoes. And it hurts my soul. I know they'll be packed away, but, uh, yeah, only three lucky contestants get to join us on our journey. Lucky ladies. Those three pairs of shoes, yeah. Very happy to be packed. Yeah. It's going to be a pair of Birkenstocks, a pair of running shoes, and a pair of loafers, you know, that can be dressed up or down. No heels, no boots. Oh God, I'm looking at all my sneakers. No vans say goodbye. Yeah, say goodbye to this. Yeah. It hurts. It hurts my soul.
On top of that obviously is products. Yes, I love my products. But I heard a good piece of advice recently if you forget shampoo or you run out of shampoo, people wash their hair. Yep. It's a global world. If you, you got all this stuff run outta toothpaste, people brush their teeth. So there will be things that you can pick up and obviously purchase along the way. And I know that whatever we have packed right now is not going to be what we end our trip with. We're gonna have to buy new things, we're gonna have to get new things along the way. And that's. That's totally fine.
What are your, go-to? My travel companions. Not me, but product.s My shout-out is to Vintner's Daughter, like that's my go-to. And I actually have an extra one that I'm gonna bring to B and D's so that they can send to me on the road. That and Seed probiotics, those are, those are kind of like my go-tos. But yeah, I wish I, I have way more that I wish that I could bring, but those are my must haves and what will be coming with me on the road.
So we spent some time, a long time I feel like talking about our fears. But it's not all fears, obviously. We have so many things to be excited about. Uh, and those are obviously the reasons that we're doing this. We're taking the leap and doing this kind of scary but very exciting thing.
They have a lot of cute ones. This one was not, not the best, but, uh, Yeah, kids still complimented us on the van.
If I'd say anybody looking to try and get into that stuff, super fun. Look up Escape Camper vans. Mm-hmm. See what they have to offer and where you can pick 'em up. Mm-hmm. We, we took the van to the national parks in Utah, so out of it was 10 days. For 10 days. Mm-hmm. So out of uh, Las Vegas, we drove and I thought this is probably the worst situation Ika could put herself in.
I was surprised at first and I was like, okay, I'll run with this and see how it goes. This was 10 days with like, you know, sharing restrooms and a shower, showers in a campground. Mm-hmm. This was no air conditioning in the van at nighttime? No. There was no tv A lot of times in the middle of the deserts of southwest America, there was no internet.
We also, our fridge didn't work very well. Fridge out. Yeah. Yeah. A lot. We had a lot of issues. We made it and it ended up, I loved it being your, one of your favorite trips we've ever taken. I loved it so much. It was incredible. I think, you know, a part of it, and this is different now 'cause we don't have work email, but a part of it was not being able to be connected at all.
Um, and just being out there and doing it. Just being one with where we were at, I was having few amenities. Yeah. A life during, with few amenities. Yeah. Was incredible and I, I think it really just, you had to be in the moment and you were there, there would be a windstorm and you would have to go inside and you would play a card game or play yazi or whatever.
I. You don't have anything else to do. And to me that was incredible. So that's definitely something that we are going to take into our travel and do when we rent our van in Australia. Yeah, we will . And then hopefully elsewhere. Um, we will do this multiple times, I think, as much as it makes sense wherever we are.
Okay, so the last thing. That we'll touch on, is seeing different people that we know around the world. We talked about those connections that you make when you are either vacationing or traveling right, and they can be fleeting or they can be long lived. But I think for us, one of the things that we did when we were planning is we made a list of all the places that we are going to go and people that we knew.
In those places or people that had some sort of connection to those places, and it was pretty mind blowing, I think. Like how many people. We know around the world in various locations, you know, a shit ton of Australians. Yes. I mean, those of you listening who are in advertising, you know, there's a shit ton of Australians in the US in advertising.
So yes, naturally, uh, we know a lot of Australians, but even like one of my high school friends now lives in Melbourne. Mm-hmm. Um, and we'll see him and I'm super excited to talk with him and I hope that he, that will be like an interview that we do. 'cause he's had an amazing, very interesting life. Um, but no, I mean, people all over the place.
Our old roommate who is in Indonesian, you old roommate who is back in Bangkok and people in Italy and Spain, and. Portugal, like everywhere. It's, it's kind of incredible, um, how many people we know across this, this world. There'll be some great reunions coming our way. Yeah. It'd be exciting. Yeah.
And even people that like, we don't necessarily know, but friends of ours are connecting us with them and we can stay on this woman's. Uh, sheep Farm in New Zealand from our dear friend, Tim. It's just incredible. It's, amazing how this opens up so many different connections and opportunities,
so we feel very, very lucky, and very excited to explore that part of this journey. We do want to talk about what's going to be happening on the next episode where we will go into a more detail about easing into this nomadic lifestyle.
We have been easing and easing it all in the, uh, we, I wanna say like easing with air quotes. 'cause I do feel like it's been a lot, it's been a lot more than I thought. But yes, we're easing in. We're gonna talk about our trip to Atlantic City, New Jersey recently that we did. Hell yeah, we are. That was amazing.
Mm-hmm. Uh, we're gonna be talking about our road trip to Minnesota on our way home. This is via Pennsylvania, into Detroit, and then into Wisconsin Dells before we land. Mm-hmm. And then what's happening between now and our departure date. So we'll be talking about our first destination, which is gonna be a trip to. Los Angeles to visit friends and family. Mm-hmm.
Then to Santa Fe, New Mexico. Mm-hmm. And back to Minnesota before we take off in, uh, mid-October. Yep. Correct. Lots of things to come. Um, so quick before we talk about our love and learn for the last couple of weeks, let's, uh, let's take a, take a little break. Take a break. We'll be right back. Yes, we will.
All right, and we are back, my dear. What is your love and your learn from the past couple weeks? There's been a lot of emotions happening. I think in the last couple of weeks we will talk about ac but AC felt like a vacation. And now this last week was like the first week that I felt like I was actually like, oh shit, I don't have a job.
And here I am. Um, I'm gonna say that my love is that we're really working together as a team. To make this happen. Because as much as you like to think that when you're moving, it's not a lot of work, there's not gonna lot be a lot of things to pack. It's always way more than you think. And so I think we've been doing a really good job of communicating every day and getting shit done.
Hmm. So that's my love. Okay. You weren't expecting that, were you? No, no. My Okay. My learn. My learn is that I need to better process my emotions. I think that I hold a lot of things in, um, and then they just come spewing out. For example, last night, I might have had maybe a little breakdown because we've been having a lot of, I'm not gonna say goodbye, but.
Farewell dinners with friends and on top of, you know, packing everything up. It's, it's become very emotional and I don't think that I've been dealing with that very well, and I think I've been kind of shoving it into the background and I just need to process things more in real time. You go love.
My love from the past couple weeks was an experience we had, well, on our little staycation trip to Atlantic City, we were coming back from dinner and. Like any typical casino you have all of the casino games going off, you have the lights going off and the music and all, all different walks of lights, distractions, yeah.
Mm-hmm. Lots of different walks of life in Atlantic City, and this gentleman who was very much without a home and he was blind. He had a walking stick. Yes. Mm-hmm. And he was, uh, looked a little bit worn down. Mm-hmm. And it was raining out. Yes. And so I, uh, escorted him into the casino against I'm sure all security protocol.
Yeah. They didn't like you. They didn't like me. And I said, listen, can I get you anything? And he said, just, just some water. And we asked him, we were like, can we buy you food? I was like, can I get you food? Can I get you a drink? And, um, and he said, no, just, just some water. So, uh, obviously we, I went and got him some water and came back.
And I think that that the love experience or the love, the why I bring this up as my love, part of love and learn is that he wasn't looking, he wasn't on the take. Mm-hmm. He wasn't looking to get money, he wasn't looking to have us buy him anything. He just wanted a place to stay that was dry. Mm-hmm. And he wanted, you know, basic needs.
Yeah. So that was an emotional love experience. Not for him per se, but just as, as an appreciation for humanity probably. Yeah. I think genuine human kindness and seeing him as a person was huge. Yeah. That was, that was the love. Yeah. That was the love in Atlantic City. Yeah. That learn, my learn for the past couple weeks is, I don't feel like I have that much anxiety.
I don't feel like I have that, that much stress in my life. I try not to, but yesterday packing up for a bag to go around the world drove me to stress eat. I stress ate. Yesterday you did. I came down and John, like, what are you doing? And I had to literally just like eat a bunch of chips multiple times.
Several times because I couldn't, I couldn't wrap my head around the concept. And so I think. As, someone who thinks that they don't have these problems, I need to admit that these are learning, you know, steps. There's, these are, these are like hurdles I have to get over.
I mean, I'm probably gonna throw up. You're gonna freak out. I haven't even done it yet. Y'all, it took me all day. Yeah. It took me all day and, and that's not a common I can pack in like 15 minutes. Yeah. It took me same, it took me all day yesterday to get this one task accomplished. Mm-hmm. There was some interim eating shirt because I was stressed.
Yeah. But, uh, I learned that yes, I do stress eat. That's, that's what I learned and I learned that it is, and I have some some stresses in my life that I don't like to admit or know about. So that is my, my learn for, uh, this week. Uh, I know as much as that hurts you, it makes me feel a little bit better.
And we'll talk about my packing probably in the next episode. Speaking of until then, thank you. Again for listening. Thank you for the positive feedback for everybody too. Yeah. Yes, yes. Enjoying the love. My mother gave us some constructive criticism.
We hope. We hope I've enunciated a bit more for all those listeners. Alright, anyway, until next episode. Be good you guys. All right, bye bye.
The internet, the next one we think is a huge, concern or a fear, something we're both losing sleepover is gonna be health issues, right? This is a big one and one that's totally out of our control. There's no reason to try and dwell on this. There's no reason to actually lose sleep, even though we both are.
It's something we've spoken about, and we both went to every doctor before we left every single doctor. So insurance. Jonica’s insurance, which covered us both only went through the month of August, so therefore It was time to get a skin screening again. It was time to get the annual physical again. Everything, everything, everything. We all know insurance in America is shitty and we all know that. Like, it, you're not going to be taken care of, uh, if you don't get these things done preventatively. Yeah. Right. So, Let's be honest, we went and took care of all those appointments and we tried to be responsible. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mature. Mm-hmm. Mature. Mm-hmm. Uh, 'cause as of, you know, five days from now, we have no more health insurance. We'll have to get on some sort of temporary mm-hmm. Health insurance. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, we wanted to make sure that we were being. Responsible. And you know, for me personally, Farber, in my mind is, the beacon of health. He really kind of has no health issues where I have a lot I, I'll take that, I'll take that compliment. I'll take that three times over. Very rarely do I get compliments from you. Let's start with like, I have horrible teeth, right? Like the amount of, root canals and, crowns and all the things like it, it's a big deal and it's super expensive, right? So it's like, it's terrifying to me to think about if something happens. On the road, where shall I lose a crown? Shall I like get a cavity or something? But then I have to like calm myself and think that you can get dental work done in other countries. There are some countries that probably do it better than others. But it can still happen. Turns out people all over the world are taken care of. People need their teeth taken care of. It still, gives me pause and, is, scary to me. When we get back to, Minneapolis, obviously we'll go to a travel doctor and we'll get all of our vaccines and all of our meds.
So I think Farber, you mentioned, one of your fears was getting ripped off, and I do think that's a good one. So what, what worries you, I guess, about this? This is my, one of my only, worries about this trip. Um, and, and not, not, again, not something that's like, it's, it's inevitable. So I don't know that it's necessarily something.
That should be worried about. But anytime you are, going around the world, whether you are going to the next state over or going to a remote town, in South America somewhere, you usually stick out when you have like two backpacks or a backpack and, and you're lost and you're looking at your phone. So being taken advantage of is one that I'm concerned knowing it's going to happen. It [ has happened to me in the past, traveling. Like people will, do all sorts of scams to get you to hand money over to them, right?
Yeah. It is usually, a situation in which it's pressure-based. So your need to make a move very quickly is usually how they prey on you. Mm-hmm. Um, I was backpacking in Europe. This happened and, living in New York, the old bag and bottle trick people are familiar with in New York where it person will carry a bag of broken bottles and they will bump into you, drop the bag and claim that you are the one responsible for breaking the bottle for the liquor bottles bottle in the bag. And, but a lot of times it's like a bottle of let's say, like Patron or something. Sure. It's not something cheap. And it's set up this way. So picture, you're walking down the street and you're minding your business, but you're rushed, you're stressed. Someone recognizes that they bump into you and glass falls to the ground in this bag and the gentleman comes over. In my case, he said it was a gift for his wife. Very vulnerable at that point. I ended up going with him to the liquor store. I said, I'm not giving you money. I said, I'll go to the liquor store, I'll buy you a new bottle. I'm sorry. We go there, we buy a bottle of Patron. Case in point, as you said. Mm-hmm. Then he walks away, I think, nothing of it. I'm walking home a little bit further, half a block down. I turn around and I said, I'm gonna go look at the bag. Why didn't I just do that first? Right. Ask him to show it to you. Yeah. So I went back, I looked at the bag, which was in the garbage. Turns out it was a bunch of shooters all broken. Not a bottle of Patron. So I was out the cost of a bottle of Patron, but then like, it kind of flashed across my eyes and I was like, okay, this is a typical scam, like a three-card Monty thing, like in New York. And uh, you gotta be aware of it. And if you're so self-involved that you bump into somebody and you don't have the decency to replace something for them, if you broke it, then you're just a jerk.
Something happened to us even on our honeymoon. Yes. Yeah, indeed. When we were in Albania, a taxi cab driver took us. Yeah, we started in Italy and we took the ferry across to Albania. We got off the ferry and you have all these children, these people who are obviously like they're in need, but these kids start shoving their hands in your pockets immediately, which is also, you feel very vulnerable and it's kind of terrifying.
You are a very fortunate person to come to their country, their home country, and experience it and walk around with a backpack. So you gotta be fair. Yeah, exactly. Alright, being ripped off. Done. Mm-hmm. Now one that is of less concern for me. The primary concern for Jonica, and anyone who knows her is that she is a little bit obsessed with fashion and clothing and shoes and products.
Mm-hmm. Face products, hair products, skin products, you name it. Mm-hmm. So she's been freaking out a lot about this and specifically because of the size of our luggage. Oh my god. We are, so we are each bringing a 40-liter backpack. And a 35-liter duffel. For those of you who do not convert liters to square feet, it's not a lot. Google it. It's not. Yeah. It's not so much. That's it really. There is no roller bags. We have no checked luggage. Um, and it has to fit not only our clothes but all of the equipment to host this podcast. Mm-hmm. Et cetera. So Jonica’s freaking out a little bit. Very much, very much. How is that, how is that going for you my love? I'm freaking out a lot. A lot. Uh, yeah, I, I love clothes and I love shoes, and I feel like those things, it may sound like totally materialistic and it is, but like those things are kind of part of my identity. I really like to express myself through how I look and what I wear. Um, so to have to only bring two small bags, is terrifying to me. So, uh, PSA, if you're following along on the gram or the website, I will be very monotone in my clothing. It's gonna be a lot of black. And beige. And khaki. Yeah. So things that can be mixed and matched. And I will be repeating clothing like I've never repeated clothing before.
I can only bring three pairs of shoes. Like that's, that's insane to me. Um, as I sit next to my rack of, I don't even know how many shoes are on this rack right now. Yeah, the visual, the visual here is in our closet again, in the Poconos. Sorry. Since, episode one, we have not come very far from the closet.
The first one. It's kind of related to fear in a way. I feel like it's the other side of the coin. It's like fear and excitement all rolled up into one. Um, it's the, the unexpected. We're very excited about the unexpected. Mostly I think meeting people, meeting new people, and seeing things we've never seen before.
Yeah. Traveling is really about meeting amazing people. It's this sort of, you know, one night you could be out. Eating dinner. And then you meet, uh, a group of people and they take you out on their boat and all of a sudden you're on a river. Which happened to us, which happened to us in Guatemala.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The whole night we were out just listening to reggaeton music and having drinks, and they dropped us off at the end of the night at our dock, and everything was fine. And it was, it, it was amazing. Mm-hmm. Um, There was a gentleman in, Utah on our trip to, the national parks.
We were in Arches. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Guy pulls up this big RV and he's talking to us out of nowhere and he invites me into the rv. You had chili with him? He had, he told me we were making chili. Yes. Mm-hmm. So, so I did not eat the chili. John was not getting involved No. And got the random strange man serving us chili.
So I went into the rv. Interior. Amazing. If anybody's ever been in an rv, you know, it has like a tv, it has a fireplace. These things have like build outs, et cetera, et cetera. I won't bore anybody with RV life, but he's like, let's smoke some weeded. And I was like, okay. Mm-hmm. So we did, we, left, the trailer went outside and that was it.
He the next day gone. Yeah. Never saw him again. Nope. Single guy all of a sudden gone. Yep. You know, best friend that night. So that's kind of part of it. That's part of traveling. I feel like you, again, you meet people. It could be like a one night connection or it could be someone that you like. Lifetime.
Yeah, lifetime. You have many of those. I feel like I have some of those, but I think for, for you, it's much easier because as you just said, it's like you are, you are an extrovert. Like you can go and talk. To anybody. Yeah. This is harder for Jonathan. Yes, I am an introvert. I'm not, I'm not one to go and strike up a conversation with a total stranger.
Who knows? Hopefully this experience will open that up for me. I don't know if it will. I think that's a challenge that I'm going to give myself, but at least I have Farber to help open that opportunity for both of us. I'm looking forward to it. You love it. So the next thing that we're looking forward to, , if you know anything about me and, and Farber, I guess, but I am, I'm obsessed with food and restaurants, how ironic, considering your internal issues.
I know, but like, , finding good restaurants and even finding the street food stuff like it. It's amazing and it's like at least 50% of the reason why I travel and love traveling and I'm so excited to, continue on that journey with food where it, it is like finding those fancy ish restaurants.
We won't be able to afford as many of those as. You know, we have with our vacations, but also just the, hole in the walls. It's finding the local things. Right. I think a big thing for us is always finding the local spirit, local spirits. Yep. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out, super into that. I would like to know how many different types of case meats I can consume and I will have none and fruit, different fruit from around the world.
That's what I'm also very excited about. Mm-hmm. But yeah, we, it's, it's important to. To not shy away from the different foods that are No. The local stuff and really try it. All of it. Yeah. Yeah. You have to, no matter how weird it sounds, just have to partake.
